Tuesday, December 07, 2004

Iron John?

"There's something wonderful about this developement- I mean the practice of men welcoming their own "feminine" consciousness and nurturing it..."

"The journey many American men have taken into softness, or receptivity, or 'developement of the feminine side,' has been an immensly valuable journey, but more travel lies ahead."

-Robery Bly, Author of Iron John, A Book about Men

"John Eldredge, author of Wild at Heart, has built his wild-heart paradigm on the works of Jungians like Robert Bly, Sam Keen, Brennan Manning, and other New Agers. Robert Bly, well-know for his (National best-seller) book "Iron John", could be described as a Freudian/Jungian, neo--pagan poet, was very popular in the burgeoning secular men's movement of the 1980s. For Bly, contemporary men have been submerged and repressed into being "nice guys" and have abandoned the old macho version of manhood. Bly's writings, favorably quoted in Eldredge, are near the center, if not actually the core, of Eldredge's view of what it means to be a real man with a wild heart."

more of this quote letusreason.org

Fan's of Eldredge, please don't get offended. I'm not anti "Wild at Heart," just reporting where the concept of Iron John came from. Personally, I'd rather let God remove some of my wildness than restore it, but if you are a wuss, you may need some help.

With this background established, it is not surprising to see some Charismatics now attributing feminine characteristics to God, and to man, and holding "Iron John" meetings. Robert Bly is the root.

Homosexual thelogy (amongst the religious ones) also typically supports the notion that man is both male and female. Perhaps this explains the propensity of big-time charismatic prophets to engage in sodomy.


For what it's worth, Chapter 5 of "Iron John" is titled "The Meeting with the God-Woman in the Garden". Bly has also written "The Maiden King: The Reunion of Masculine and Feminine."

Don Clasen, in his seminal (no pun intended) work "My Eight Years with the Kansas City Prophets" mentioned Bickle's overbearing emphasis on the Song of Solomon and the allegory about Christ and His Bride. Says Clasen, "The idea conveyed in the teachings and worship I witnessed went beyond the Biblical idea of a collective Church, to an implication that each individual believer is a "bride". As a man especially, I felt very embarrassed by such effeminate sentiments, in both the teaching and worship expressions."

Without endorsing the works of Clausen, or letusreason.org, they raise some good points. "Kansas City, here we come".


Originally posted December 7, 2004

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