Wednesday, December 08, 2004

Leaving the Prophetic

"Today's prophets seem to talk a lot ABOUT the 'sword of the Lord' but never actually bring it to bear. They bring no piercing word."

Andrew Strom has been the moderator of a prophetic discussion list (800 members) for many years and is based in Kansas City. He is not what you would call hostile towards the prophetic, Holy Ghost, tounges or revival. He has a real heart for revival birthed from repentance preaching.

"Below are the SPECIFIC THINGS that God told me He has against this movement as a whole:

-The giving and receiving of "ear-tickling" words.
-The giving and receiving of money in expectation of prophecy.
-False words and false teaching.
-The lack of a true Repentance message.
-The spiritual 'blindness' that allows familiar spirits and spirits of divination to flourish.
-The failure of this movement to judge itself, meaning that God must judge it.
-The idolising of well-known prophets - placing them on a pedestal.
-And so on.... "

In light of recent events concerning Paul Cain, the prophetic father of this movement exposed as an alcoholic and homosexual in October) I find these first-hand reports from the New Jerusalem (Kansas City) to be most interesting. This is regarding a conference held there about a month ago.

Strom makes note of voodoo dancing at this conference. I actually saw an example of this on WAZT at about 1AM maybe 6 weeks ago. It was sickening to watch such demonic activity promoted as Christian. The leader of the conference now admits that the dances were immodest. Strom's comments concerning swordplay (knighting ceremonies) were also interesting since I have witnessed these firsthand.

Most significantly, his comments clearly echo those made by Derek Prince in a 3 part series "Deception in the Church" recorded before his death. transcript

In regard to the bu$ine$$ of prophecy, it is important to note that John Paul Jackson will now interpet your dreams via his website for a fee. (According to the website, "A dream is considered to be 2000 characters in length. Anything longer will count as at least 2 dreams.") You can sign up, VISA card in hand, for various plans.

Sounds like Dionne Warwick to me.

Andrew Strom: Why I left the prophetic movement

Andrew Strom: Why I left the prophetic movement, Part II

Strom appears to be generally supportive of Mike Bickle (or at least Bickle's original vision for a Kansas City ministry) but not of the most recent transition towards the Latter Rain-esque "Tabernacle of David" (24/7 IHOP Harp and Bowl ministry).

The things he witnessed in Kansas City are the norm for those involved in he "higher level" spiritual activites of the Charismatic Church today. They are the direct result of teachings by Joyner, Jones, Wagner, Bickle and others, whose books are discussed in sunday school classes and for whom many in the church travel to their conferences and retreats.

Strom's conclusion: "Well, obviously, with great sadness we must now totally cut ourselves off from today's Prophetic Movement."

Originally posted December 8, 2004


  1. This whole business is deeply greivous to me. The thing I find most disturbing is the fact that some of the most sincere followers of Jesus that I know are very deluded by this spirit(which would have included me until very recently). I believe the reason this deception is so successful is that many of the leaders of the movement have a sincere love for God as well as great zeal(not necessarily Gods zeal). This combination of misguided sincerity with great religious zeal is especially dangerous because it is so deceptive. This is not about me being right and others wrong. I am often wrong. This is about,I believe,a ploy from Satan to promote a form of Godliness with no power. We MUST fix our eyes on Jesus and value what He values. The true heroes of the faith today are not known in the West,(they are in the prisons of China,North Korea,Vietnam,Indonesia,Iran,Pakistan,Turkey,etc.),but I can assure you that Jesus Christ knows their names.Micah 6:8 says,"He has shown you,O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you But to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God."
    Blessings in Jesus name, Stephen

  2. Update - looks like John Paul Jackson eith gave up or sold the URL


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