Thursday, December 09, 2004

Reflections on Paul Cain

One can only feel sorry for Paul Cain concerning the recent announcement that he has been dis-fellowshipped for homosexual practices as well as alcoholism. And pity for the Charismatic church. I have long pondered the apparent connection between homosexuality and high profile "prophets" and preachers. In my 34 years as a Charismatic I saw again and again the devastation caused by arrogant leaders eventually revealed as sodomites. And it goes beyond men snapping each other with towels in the steam room at PTL (now MorningStar) and $425,000 payoffs; how about a traveling prophet so bold as to sleep with his boy lover at church conferences? This is not something I've just read about, I've known men such as these and even been prayed (preyed) or prophecied over by the same. And I renounce it in the Name of Jesus.

While one can fall back on Let God be True and everyman a Liar how much is enough? When will holiness really be important to the Charismatic/Prophetic Church?

And when will the Charismatic/Prophetic Church own up to these problems? After releasing a statement in October about Paul Cain, Rick Joyner now writes revisionist history by now stating "it seems that Paul has been off of the spiritual radar scope for so long that there was just not much interest in this situation."

How quicky they abandon their wounded warriors! What makes this statement incredulous is that Paul Cain is the man cited by Bob Jones as "the greatest prophet alive." Mike Bickle has stated something to the effect that if anyone could bear the title "prophet" it would be Paul Cain. Bickle's church called Cain (and Wimber) "chosen vessels among others in the nation." Rick Joyner, in an account of one of his infamous "Knights of Malta" trips, states that even Saddam Hussein was "utterly convinced that Paul is a true prophet." And Joyner disputed it not.

In fact, Cain was a featured speaker at Joyner's April 2004 MorningStar Prophetic Equipping Conference, 2 weeks after being featured at a Prophesy-a-thon at Crouch's TBN. Off the spiritual radar scope for so long???

The Elijah List, regarding a September 2002 Albany Oregon Vineyard meeting, stated "Paul Cain was in such rare form --as a father and grandfather in the spirit." Well, within the last few weeks the Elijah List removed their "spiritual father" from the website's archive search engine, with no explanation or comment. Some family secrets are worth hiding.

And on the topic of revisionist history, according to one website, the original text of Joyner's press release read a bit different than the current text.

"The signs that these problems existed were abundant, and we had an obvious lack of discernment and failed to see them until this year."
The comment "an obvious lack of discernment" has been removed. Here's what makes this particularily disturbing. They (Joyner. Bickle and Deere) admit to knowing of these problems in February 2004. Yet Joyner had Cain as a featured speaker at his April 2004 prophetic conference, the same month in which they confronted him about the sin of sodomy. And Bickle quoted a "prophetic word" given by Cain regarding holiness - not gained by the fear of God but by simply spending time in the presence of God- in Bickle's book "After God's Own Heart" which was released in early 2004. Bickle gave much of this prominent chapter to Cain's word. How many sermons about David has this book inspired in recent times? For Cain's sake I would suggest that holiness brought on by sensual experiences (soaking prayer/marinating) leads to an openness to things sensual (sexual sin). Turn.

It boggles the mind to think how one could consider himself a "seer" when the Word states: without holiness no one will see the Lord. What then are they "seeing?"

Paul Cain has been at the forefront of the Manifested Son's of God movement embraced by Bickle, Joyner and Jones. He belives that God has granted special powers to his chosen (hoard of locusts) in these last days:

"No prophet or apostle who ever lived equaled the power of these individuals in this great army of the Lord in these last days. No one ever had it; not even Elijah or Peter or Paul or anyone else enjoyed the power that is going to rest upon this great army." -Paul Cain

Well, to their credit, neither Paul, Peter or Elijah were drunken sodomites. Enough is enough. Contrast the power-posturing of the Latter Rain church with this quote by Michael Horton (Power Religion, Moody Press)

"... the goal of Christian mission is not success, but faithful witness; not power, but proclamation; not technique, but truth; not method, but message."

Originally posted December 9, 2004


  1. Update April 2006 to the situation; does not look good

  2. After a lot of work it looks like Paul Cain is coming through.

    The biggest cry of my own heart, is "Lord, deliver me from temptation, protect me - don't leave me to myself, don't let me fall into the hands of the church!"

    It's mercy I need always, not judgement!

  3. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

    It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

    Mercy does not mean looking the other way when there is sin in the camp. Instead, our role should be to "snatch a brand from the fire." Unfortunately, for those in public ministry, reproof is often very public. It should be, because that ministry has affected many people. Paul named names.

    There is a big difference between the revelation of immorality and judgement. Only God will judge. And he will. When Rick Joyer, Mike Bickle and Jack Deere published their statement concerning Paul Cain on the World Wide Web, that was not judgement. When Rick Joyer issued an update, that was not judgement either.

    I do not despise the church, nor do I fear "falling into its hands." The church IS the Bride of Christ. If its good enough for Jesus, its good enough for me.

    While I do not fear falling into the hands of the church, as a leader, I do fear falling into the hands of God. Quoting the Lord, "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

    And this is the essence of the matter- it is SINFUL to fear falling "into the hands of the church" (man).
    Jesus made it very clear when he said "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

    Not to change the subject, but most in the "prophetic movement" believe strongly in "impartation". What has been imparted to those in the church whom Paul Cain has laid hands on (or instructed). I think true Mercy is to warn "these little ones" of what has possibly impacted their lives, so that they can cleanse themselves of all unrighteousness.

  4. Corrected link on Joyner update in previous comment.


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