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Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Ahhh, the sound of Black Helicopters whomping.....


Kim Olsen has been hosting an inane discussion on her blog trying to link Sarah Palin to Dominionisim. By now she probably wishes she had not delved into the political arena on her blog - which I may too regret within a few days of posting this.

The source for her information comes from the "Bush caused 911" crowd, who also seem to object to anyone who belives that Jesus is the only means by which man can be saved. They recoil in horror at this quote:

“Those who don’t accept Jesus as their savior will burn in Hell, according to Palin’s brand of theology.”

Palin's "brand of theology" ?!?!?!?!?

Anyhow, one should not encourage the conspiracy theorists. Naturally, the slippery slope to total nutdom gets steeper and more slippery with every comment. As evidence, here's a most recent comment on Kim Olsen's website.

I still think the fact that she has to have illuminati connections is bigger than where she stands on all of this other stuff. Anyone who is in high office is a pawn of the higher ups. This from Cutting Edge: “Todd Palin IS MOST DEFINITELY Flashing A Masonic Handsign During The August 29 Photo Shoot With Governor Sarah Palin and Their Children!”

As we demonstrate through pictures, Todd Palin is clearly inserting his hand into his coat in a typical Masonic handsign gesture. This gesture sent a message throughout the occult world that Illuminized Masonry is in control of the Republican Presidential Ticket, including the selection of Governor Palin as McCain’s V.P. candidate






Elsewhere, another charge leveled against Palin is that in one staged picture she strikes an "illuminati pose." I guess I'd better learn what that is, so that I never am seen doing it.



As much as these fine folks would like to cause us to believe that Palin is involved in some theocratic take-over scheme, I think some sanity is in order here. Here's some background to chew on. At no point am I endorsing these sources, I simply want to illustrate that websites that want to make a point in the other direction can easily do so.


Sarah Palin

Virtually unknown to the American people about Governor Palin, these reports say, is her family genealogy relating her to one of the most important factions of the American Revolutionary War led by Major-General William Heath, the last surviving Major-General of the Revolutionary Army.

Though Major-General Heath was lauded for his actions during the battles of Lexington and Concord in April, 1775, he was never trusted by the American Revolutionary War Commander, and later President, George Washington, and who utilized General Heath sparingly for the remainder of the war.

General Washington’s mistrust of General Heath was reported to have been because Heath was not a member of the Freemason Secret Society which Washington and almost all of the American and British War Commanders were members of, and which many still assert maintain a secret leadership role in governing the United States.

The continued efforts of General Heath and his descendents against the Freemasons led to the near destruction of the Masonic Order in the United States in the 1820’s and 1930’s over what is termed as the William Morgan Affair, and whose monument in New York State reads:

“Sacred to the memory of Wm. Morgan, a native of Virginia, a Capt. in the War of 1812, a respectable citizen of Batavia, and a martyr to the freedom of writing, printing and speaking the truth. He was abducted from near this spot in the year 1826, by Freemasons and murdered for revealing the secrets of their order. The court records of Genesee County, and the files of the Batavia Advocate, kept in the Recorders office contain the history of the events that caused the erection of this monument.”

Source: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1137.htm

Yes, I'm sure they would invite her into the club.
For the uninitiated (pun intended), Tha illuminati is a secret society who share the same bloodline. Sarah is in real trouble when they find out about her kinfolk.

Todd Palin

The McCain camp today disputed rumors that presumptive vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin was ever registered with the secessionist Alaska Independence Party by releasing years of voter registration history . . . but it looks like that doesn't apply to her husband.


source: http://tinyurl.com/toddnot


The Alaskan Independence Party historically has had strong objections to the various secret societies holding sway over the United States. Was Todd Palin a mole for the masons? Or is it possible that he actually holds objections to freemasonry?



Note: the rumors about Sarah Palin and the AIP were "astroturfed" by Obama operatives. We cannot verify Todd Palin's involvement in the AIP, but that's not the point anyhow.





Sarah and Todd Palin

Much ado has been made over their connections to the jihadist "Assemblies of God" (see Olsen’s article on Sarah Palin and Dominionism). What few people know about the A/G is its outspoken rejection of freemasonry. I guess its not spoken about enough. Ok, here's a source I do endorse.

Secret societies are in conflict with the teachings of Holy Scripture. A Christian must never affiliate with any organization that 1) yokes together believers with unbelievers in unholy alliances (2 Cor. 6:14-18); 2) requires a pledge to unscriptural oaths which are sealed by using the name of God improperly or in vain (Ex. 20:7, Lev. 5:4-6, Matt. 5:34-37, James 5:12); 3) represents itself as providing teaching in harmony with the Bible when in fact it does not (2 Peter 3:16); 4) represents itself as being religious and offers a false hope of salvation through works, yet dishonors the only true God and our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ (John 17:3, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, Col. 2:8-10, Eph. 2:8,9).

Secretively meeting behind closed doors in a "lodge" where activities are carried on behind a cloak of secrecy, in favor of fellow members, usually for economic, social, or political advantage hardly describes doing what is right in the eyes of everybody. "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord" (2 Cor. 6:17). This is God’s advice for Christians and is certainly applicable in regard to secret societies.

Since the statement in the Assemblies of God bylaws on Secret Orders does not mention any organization by name, some have felt that their involvement in Masonry is not what the statement is about. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the original statement was drafted primarily because of concerns about Freemasonry.


Source: http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/charctr_16_secret_societie.cfm



Food for Thought

Here's what I find fascinating- I think we can all agree that we are now closer to the Lord's return than ever (duh!). We read about many things in *Biblical* prophecy that will happen. If the so-called new world order - one government - is a precursor to the antichrist -- things the bible tells us will happen at the end -- why would anyone want to STOP this?

At best, I'm out of here before the feces hits the fan, at worst I have to put up with 7 years of tribulation - and avoiding taking the mark - but then its "goodbye, world goodbye."

Either way God is in control and has a plan for me- and has made a way for me.

So why the concern (I think unwarranted concern) about things that we already know are going to happen?


Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not to thine own under standing.


Or the understanding of 90% of the stuff out there on the internet.


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7 Comments:

  • Thanks, Bill, for having the courage to speak out against this kind of thing.

    I honestly got so discouraged after being involved in that discussion this week, and the lack of Kim and the other commenters even caring that there was nothing at all proved about the awful accusations made in that blog, (even after it was painstakingly explained to them over and over again), that I was asking the Lord this morning if I should even blog any more.

    While it is good to expose false teaching in itself, when the characters of the people involved are smeared based solely upon innuendo and guilt by association, that kind of over concentration on conspiracies, NAR, NWO and Christian "theocracy", wherever it comes from, makes the cure worse than the disease. One can get so obsessed by extreme exposes, that they can find dominionists and/or conspiracies behind every bush.

    I’m wondering : Is that an any more spiritually healthy stance for a Christian to take than the extreme prophetic fringe that they are usually criticizing?

    Having doubts about a political candidate is one thing. Letting unproved allegations, and guilt by association get in the way of sound judgment is quite another.

    By Blogger Margaret, at 12:40 PM  

  • Bill,

    Thanks, I just went back and re-read the thread at DiscernIt and a couple of things came to my mind. MBaker, I believe, was right on when she reposted from the article, "governing under a dominionist type agenda, which is what the article is suggesting she might do" and stated that there is no proof of this. Palin has or hasn't governed under the dominion banner. Somehow, I just don't see that happening with all of the laws of speration of church and state in place.

    Secondly, I bet this is what really happened as far as Master Commission graduation is concerned. She was asked to come because she is Govenor, used to be at that church, has alot of friends there, and she thought it would be fun to attend and be the guest speaker for the occassion. No agenda in the meeting. My son graduated from Masters Commission and I have been to many others since then and they would at times try to get someone "special" to speak. No agenda in it at all.

    If I were in her place I would have probably said sure I'll be there just for the chance to see some old friends.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:43 PM  

  • Opps, anonymous is me Tim H

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:45 PM  

  • Bill,

    I get the secret, hand in the jacket message. What I want to know is, who is the youngest daughter trying to signal.

    I have seen the crossed arms gesture used before but i forgot what it signifies.

    It seems that Sarah used Todd to throw off everyone, so she could get the real message out using her child.

    What kind of mother would do such a thing.

    That seals it for me, I'm voting for Hillary.

    By Blogger rick, at 4:41 PM  

  • Rick,

    I think she may be involved in the insidious Macarena cult.

    By Blogger William Fawcett, at 5:25 PM  

  • Dear Bill,
    I left you a comment at Kims blog a few day ago under the name anonymous forgetting that is not allowed there, hence it was erased. I thanked you and MBaker for being voices of reason and clarity in that thread.
    Thank you for this post. It is frustrating to me when these unprovable allegations are posted on blogs believers are going to looking for facts and truth. I think it diminishes credibilty for these blogs and just seems unreasonable and borders on "wacky."
    Palin LEFT the NAR leaning church. We don't know why. But we do know that was a move in the right direction! I was affliated with IHOP six years ago and my beliefs have changed radically since then.
    Miriam at ETPW WAS associated with Toronto.
    Again, thank you for keeping threads "sane" at times and for this post.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:34 AM  

  • Bill, all this did was prove your association to the Skulls, Masons, Illuminati and the Pantaverate (ask Charlies dad from "So I Married An Axe Murderer" about that one).

    So I'm guessing that you took Colonel Sanders place in the Pantaverate and have been recruited by said party for the purpose of deluding christians? Admit it.
    I saw a video of you thumb wrestling your grandkids the other day, but we all know that was Freemason hand shake signals.

    mark jr.
    (you know how to interpret all that, right?)

    By OpenID iseeitdifferently, at 1:44 PM  

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