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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Jesus to make personal appearance in Lakeland!

Matthew 24: 23-31 (NIV)
23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' (or in Lakeland on June the 8th -ed) do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.




Bentley tries to hedge after reading Wendy Alec's "prophecy." He says "Though I'm open to ah..the Lord can appear- may I see the Lord. I am not suggesting there is going to be physical flesh Jesus Christ on the platform (that was exactly was she was suggesting) I hope you understand, we're talking about in atmosphere, we're talking about in spiritual experience, we're talking about an impartation.

Wait a minute. Alec's prophecy said "Jesus said I AM COMING IN PERSON." And it goes on "He will come in the clouds in the chariot, surrounded by the great angelic host."

Todd, of course, is "open to it." Todd and Wendy have so much prophetic prowess that they are above Matthew 24:36 which says "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "

Fight Stupidity. Read your Bible.

Bible Literacy Report - What do American teens need to know and what do they know? found that 90% of English teachers interviewed believe that Biblical knowledge is crucial for a good education. This landmark national study of high school English teachers revealed that American high school students are deficient in their academic knowledge of the Bible, and it is limiting their ability to study literature and understand art, music, history, and culture. The study, funded by the John Templeton Foundation, also contains a Gallup poll of teenagers which found that:

17% thought "the road to Damascus" was where Jesus was crucified.
68% couldn't identify who asked "am I my brother's keeper?" (Cain).
53% couldn't name the Biblical event at Cana (turning water into wine).
22% thought Moses was either one of Jesus' 12 apostles, an Egyptian


Postscript: Jesus did not appear at Lakeland on June 8.

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Tuesday, June 17, 2008

Cain Sightings

I'm tired of writing about Paul Cain. But because people like Mike Bickle and Bob Jones have extolled his prophetic accuracy, and because he keeps showing up, I suppose I will keep writing.

Cain raised Cain when he recently visited the Todd Bentley meetings in Lakeland. Much conflicting thought has arisen as a result, mainly because the video was removed from the ustream archive. However, like Elvis, it has made an appearance.

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The video reveals that ALL SOURCES should be checked. Charisma Magazine, which is generally reliable, published an article by Steven Strang in which he reported that "Paul publicly said in Lakeland that there were 'false rumors' about him and that he had lived a 'chaste life.' As you can see from the video, Cain said he had been celibate all his life. I suppose, in the strictest terms he was celibate, since he had never married, as long as we are willing to discount those pesky homosexual encounters.

Meanwhile, Rick Joyner tells us it has been reported that Todd would not let Paul come back on the platform after he asserted that he had lived a celibate life is a credit to the integrity that Todd is trying to maintain in his ministry. Well, Cain was ON the platform when he spoke about celibacy, and remained on the platform about 10 minutes past that time. After he completed his "prophecy" to the intern, Todd Bentley asked for, and received an "impartation" from Cain. Cain then went on to minister in a word of knowledge. Cain removed himself from the platform when he said "Well I've done my part, I'm getting out of here."

I mention those two items to encourage you to be dubious about sources you may think are reliable.

Both Strang and Joyner commented about a remark about allegations (false rumors?). The remark at timestamp 6:40, suggests that Cain is no longer contrite about his previously admitted struggles with alcohol and homosexuality.

A few other points of interest. Cain, while praying for Jim Goll attributed Goll's wife's sickness to "inappropraite prophecy." Selah.

Cain stated in his MSoG proclaimation that the revival will grow until "Wise men and Crown-Heads of America and other other countries cannot say that this is not of God; they will bow and bend and say that Jesus is Lord." Well, of course, he may have the eschatological timing off on that one a bit, as most believe that happens after the tribulation. And it begs the question as to what a "Crown-Head" of America is.

Did you know that this Todd Bentley revival is a revival of the "nameless and faceless." Cain seems to struggle as he attempts to make the current "revival" fit his prophecy. Cain, a former ministry associate of William Branham, coined the term "New Breed" as a reference to Branham's Manifest Sons of God (MSoG) doctrine. Note the use of "New Breed" by both Cain and Bentley.

Those are just a few things I noticed. I hope this video and my commentary have been helpful to you as you sort things out.

Previous Articles:
The Return of Paul Cain

Reflections on Paul Cain

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Friday, June 13, 2008

Understanding Lakeland


I, John Kilpatrick, went down to Todd Bentley’s meetings, the Florida Outpouring, and gave my blessing to revival. I made it clear that I didn’t know Todd, his doctrinal belief nor who he is affiliated with, if anyone. To me, doctrine is very important. It always has been and it always will be. It is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine.


There you have it- to Pastor Kilpatrick, doctrine “is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on.”

This is encouraging to those of us that have long been saying that there are some very wrong things being taught in Lakeland. To wit:


  • Angelology. Calling for your personal angels to “go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money..” is heretical. Bentley has more “named angels” than are mentioned in the entire Bible.

  • Constant talk of regular third-heaven experiences, chats with the dead, and spirit travel. Bizarre stories of operating rooms in heaven.

  • Affiliation with William Branham, his angels, and his heretical “Latter Rain” beliefs. Bentley himself, in the Lakeland meetings, has stated “We do not have to age” and has claimed that he is not a man when he is under the anointing.

  • Claiming Apostolic Authority which places Bentley’s revelations gained through encounters with Jesus on the same level (or higher) than the Word of God.



A well known theologian concerned with revival issues has suggested a four-prong test in evaluating a move of God:



So, here are my guidelines for evaluating a spiritual movement, very similar to the guidelines established by Jonathan Edwards:
1) Is it exalting Jesus? Does He have the preeminence and are people being drawn to Him and His centrality?
2) Is there an increasing hunger for the Word of God and an increasing desire to submit to the Word of God?
3) Are people repenting of sin and turning to holiness by God’s grace and power?
4) Is there an increasing burden to touch and save the lost?


A cursory review of the Lakeland meetings suggests that there is an extreme focus on the meetings themselves. Even the previously mentioned Charisma magazine article picked up on the hype and exaggeration. I’m not certain you could even say that sermons are being preached, but during such times certainly there is more emphasis on charismatic encounters of the odd-kind than the preaching or teaching of the word of God. References to repentance, sin and hell are far and few between. Instead, the message, in their own words, is “Come and Get Some.”



George Wood, General Superintendent of the Assemblies of God, has offered a similar “test” for revival.



1) Is Jesus Christ exalted?
2) Is the Word of God proclaimed?
3) Are persons repenting of sin, and being baptized in water and the Holy Spirit?


Speaking of Wood, and the Assemblies of God, on June 6, 2008, they issued a Statement on Revival Obviously, the “mother ship” in Springfield has been flooded with inquiries.





Here are a few highlights:


The focus for any lasting revival always must be on Jesus. The Holy Spirit has not come to glorify Himself, or any human or angelic personality. A doctrinal test for any revival is whether the content of the preaching is the same as Jesus and the apostles. Miraculous manifestations are never the test of a true revival - fidelity to God's Word is the test. In summary, the message must always be examined. If the message and the messenger line up with God's Word, then the revival is on safe Biblical ground and it should and must be embraced. If not, then even though miracles and manifestations occur, it should be avoided. This raises the question of how can healings and miracles occur if the message and/or messenger are not consistent with Scripture. The attribution for the healings and miracles is the grace of God and his mercy for hurting people.


Take time to listen, or read, Wood’s entire address. It is highly unusual, maybe unprecedented, for the A/G to make such a statement outside of the position-paper format. I’m a straight-forward type of guy. While I would have preferred that the A/G leadership would just go ahead and say it, the timing of this statement pretty much says it all.


In the coming weeks we will be giving you point-for-point illustrations – from the mouth of Todd Bentley – that reveal problems with “the infrastructure that (this) move of God runs on.” Even before this recent outbreak, I have been discussing with others the need to bring to light some of the dangerous doctrinal problems being promoted by the Apostolic/Prophetic movement.

In the immortal words of Sgt Phil Esterhouse (of Hill Street Blues) "Lets be careful out there" ...

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